Dr. Ward sits down with Angela Cathey (CEO, ensogroup.us) to discuss the article "Hearing Voices, Dissociation, and the Self: A Functional-Analytic Perspective" by McEnteggart, Barnes-Holmes, Dillon, Egger, and Oliver (Journal of Trauma & Dissociation, 2016). They discuss the advantages of a behavioral approach to trauma treatment via Relational Frame Theory. In doing so, they discuss the functions of voice hearing, dissociation, and more, along with treatment strategies informed by a functional analytic approach. In conclusion, they caution against defining a field, such as behavior analysis, in terms of procedures. Rather, they posit that the distinguishing features of the behavioral approach are to be found in its philosophical and theoretical foundations. Learning Objectives: Participants will be able to give an example of symbolic language. Participants will be able to differentiate traditional vs functional analytic approaches to trauma treatment. Participants will be able to state at least one function of hearing voices.